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The ambiguous trajectory of racism in futebol in Brazil


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Passistas of Leandro de Itaquera honor the player Tinga, called a monkey in Libertadores game in 2014

Note from BW of Brazil: The question of racism is a topic that we frequently approach on this blog and for a number of reasons. 1) Many people outside of Brazil continue to believe that a country with such a history of miscegenation must be free of racism, 2) Many Brazilians themselves continue to insist that racism is not a problem in the society (even with piles of evidence so readily available), 3) Through this prism of race and racism, we can begin understand the complexities of understanding the contradictions with which millions of Brazilian citizens co-exist and thus it helps us in the 4) Understanding of what it is to be a black Brazilian woman and 5) Why a blog such as Black Women of Brazil exists in the first place. 

Futebol, or football or soccer (depending on where you live) is thought to be a national passion that unites all Brazilians regardless of race, gender or social class. According to this train of thought, in a racist society (even in denial of the fact), the social ills of the country suddenly disappear on the futebol field when all one cares about is cheering for their favorite team. The truth, however, is quite different. We’ve already documented various cases of racism in Brazilian futebol, be it on the field from fans, on international fields involving Brazilian players (and their reactions to it) or the history of racism and exclusion in popularizing of the sport. The logic here is that if Brazil was constructed on racism and racial inequality, why would this be any different in the world of futebol?

The ambiguous trajectory of racism in futebol in Brazil

Understanding racism and the trajectory of black Brazilians in futebol

By Denaldo Alchorne de Sozua

Copa Libertadores 2014. Cruzeiro and Real Garcilaso face off in the Peruvian city of Huancayo. When the Cruzeiro midfielder Tinga touches the ball, the home crowd imitates monkeys. A more optimistic Brazilian could assess such an attitude typical of foreign or underdeveloped nations.

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Midfielder Arouca who now plays for Palmeiras

Shortly after, the scene is repeated. This time, the Santos (currently Palmeiras) defensive midfielder Arouca, in a match against Mogi-Mirim, heard from a fan that he should seek an African team to play for. To end this unfortunate sequence Paulão defender of Internacional, was called a macaco (monkey) by a group of Grêmio fans.

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Paulão of Internacional

Maybe Arouca’s statement shortly after the incident was sensible when he said: “Futebol is a mirror of our reality, and this is not just down to racist name-calling.”  Sport is part of society and therefore is permeated by its contradictions.

The latest events and that of the World Cup make possible a privileged moment to discuss the complex and ambiguous trajectory of the history of futebol and racism in Brazil.

Futebol emerged in Brazil in the late nineteenth century. It was practiced by youth of a prominent social level who gathered in the intervals of their activities to practice “sport for the sport.” They themselves paying for the expenses of the fun and within the purest amateurism. Only those who were club members could play. It functioned as a symbol of status quo, as a differentiator of classes and races, a benchmark for those wanting to self-affirm themselves as brancos (whites), or “embranquecidos” (whitened) and being accepted in high society.

In Brazil, it was believed that mestiçagem (miscegenation) would eventually whiten the Brazilian people. Blacks were considered biologically less evolved, and interracial crossing would perpetuate only the white genes.

It was not only among intellectuals like Oliveira Viana that these ideas were accepted. In fact, values were consolidated by a broad spectrum of Brazilian society. Many blacks assimilated prejudices, social and moral values of whites. In this context, Brazilian racism was peculiar because the victim himself assumed the role of executioner.

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At right, the great Arthur Friedenreich

This is the time of Arthur Friedenreich, the first great playmaker that Brazilian futebol produced. Despite his name, he was a light-skinned mulatto, the green-eyed son of a German with a black Brazilian woman.

He was one of the greatest strikers in world futebol. His greatest achievement was scoring the goal that gave the Brazilian team its first continental title, that of the Campeonato Sul-Americano (South American Championship) of 1919. Fried symbolized the period in which futebol honored mulato players since they could disguise their blackness (1).

Despite the elitism, gradually futebol was conquering popular preference. Negros, mulattoes, workers and the unemployed began to look with more interest at the novelty. They might have found strange, at first, the spectacle of 22 people running after a ball.

However, there was something manly and dramatic in the game that led those people, of suffered lives, to overstep their grudges and disappointments in a game.

If negros and mulatos began to adopt it as playful practice in their leisure time, very different was their introduction as athletes in major clubs. Such a barrier was implemented gradually and, according to the city, in different paces. Probably the first club to accept negro and mulato players was the Bangu Athletic Club.

The club was established in 1904 on the outskirts of Rio de Janeiro by British bosses and employees of the Companhia Progresso Industrial fabric factory. Thanks to the small number of white players gradually, negro and mulato workers were asked to compose the team.

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Comment about the goalie Aranha: “Calling Aranha a monkey is offending the poor monkey! There are blacks that are worse than a monkey, including this Aranha, goalie of trash and with no character!”

Pure amateurism, playing for “love of the jersey”, as advocated by the first players and managers, started to be questioned. Already one heard reports of an undercover professionalism. They received the “bicho”, an allowance to pay for their passage or stay, always greater than necessary.

The “bicho” led to the introduction of athletes from the lower classes into futebol. Many didn’t accept these false amateurs and conflicts arose with the aim of limiting the access of “mercenaries”.

It was the time of Vasco da Gama, the carioca (Rio de Janeiro-based) champion in 1923, formed by the taxi driver Nelson Conceição, by the wall painter Ceci, by the stevedore Nicolino and the truck driver Bolão, all negros and mulatos. The following year, the directors of the major Rio clubs decided to create a new futebol league, without the presence of Vasco.

Racism in futebol was not restricted to club directors. The federal government was aware of the popular appeal of the sport. In 1920, the Seleção Brasileira (Brazilian national team) playing in Buenos Aires did not have the most friendly reception. Argentines seemed to have never seen so many black people on one team.

The newspaper Crítica, of the capital city of Buenos Aires, published a photogravure representing the entire Brazilian team with the face of monkeys. In subsequent years, the presidents Epitácio Pessoa in 1921, and Arthur Bernardes, in 1925, granted the Brazilian Confederation of Sports dozens of stories to participate in the South American Championships of respective years.

In return, they determined that only strictly white athletes were summoned for reasons of “paternal prestige”.

But the most impressive was the racism of the negro or mulato athlete himself. A story told by sports journalist Mário Filho illustrates the contradictions.

Players Robson and Orlando, of Fluminense, were being led their club in a car club when a black couple hurried across the street, just missed being hit.

Orlando, angry, shouted:  “Seus pretos sujos” (You dirty blacks). Robson tried to reassure his companion, “I’ve been black and I know what this is.” There is no way of knowing about the veracity of the narrative. However, the sentence portrays as few dilemmas of Brazilian society at the time.

During the first government of Getúlio Vargas (1930-1945), professional futebol became official. Also there was a redirection of racial discourse, having as a landmark and symbol the work of Gilberto Freyre and the figure of the racial democracy.

The main objective of his book Casa-grande e senzala (The Masters and the Slaves in English, 1933) was to present the characteristic elements of the three races that supposedly formed Brazilians, putting them on the same level.

The junction of the cultural characteristics of these three elements would provide the emergence of a more original national type, capable of softening the conflicts in Brazilian society.

Mário Filho agreed with all this interpretation. In his 1947 classic, O Negro no Futebol Brasileiro (The Negro in Brazilian Futebol), wrote: “Branco, negro or mulato (white, black or mulatto). Because in futebol there was no longer even the slightest glimmer of racism.”

For the journalist, the influence of the racial democracy was not restricted to the players. It also extended to all fans and society: “And who is in general, in the stands, belongs to the same crowd. The passion of the people had to be like the people, of all colors, of all walks of life. The black equal to the white, the poor equal to the rich.”

In spite of Freyre and Filho, social and racial contradictions continued. In the 1950 World Cup, when the Brazilian team lost to Uruguay by 2-1, racism was updated.

All involved were considered guilty. Most of the allegations, however, were directed at two black players: goalkeeper Barbosa and defender Bigode.

In the 1950s a worsening of such issues was produced. According to some theorists of the period, such as Florestan Fernandes, racial discrimination in Brazil was temporary: to the measure that the black element was inserted into the capitalist industrialization process, he would be incorporated into  Brazilian society, leading racial prejudice to its eradication and replacement by classist relations.

The interpretations of Freyre and Fernandes were visions of Brazil and of the hegemonic Brazilian people. They had reached the common sense of society at the time. The ideas of racial democracy, without prejudices of race, and that it was possible in an industrialized country, the economic and social advancement of workers and, specifically, blacks were shared by large segments.

There was a lack of proof of consistency for such hegemony to consolidate itself. Doubts persisted: how could Brazil be a racial democracy if, visibly, the social and economic differences between whites and nonwhites were huge?

It’s in this context, in the achievement of the 1958 World Cup, that Pelé emerged. His myth seemed to be proof of these theories. He showed that it was possible, in a society increasingly urbanized and industrialized, for a black to ascend socially and economically.

However, the same success of Pelé showed the contradictions of his myth and racial identity. Many of his statements were annoying, always emphasizing that in his life he never suffered racist attitudes, as he stated in the Veja magazine of July 14, 1971: “I don’t have a way to respond. But the truth is I’ve never felt anything that could motivate me to take any action in defense of color.”

Denying the existence of racism in Brazil can be considered a form of racism, or, more specifically, a racial prejudice of mark. For the intellectual Oracy Nogueira this concept, unlike the dominant source of bias in the United States, depends on the performance mode of the individual.

If you have specific skills, or if one guy shows himself to be intelligent, or even persevering, he may have discriminatory treatment eased by these particularities presented.

Thus, in contradiction of contradiction, the history of racism in Brazil is revived. Prejudice and racial discrimination are not mere survivals of the slavery past.

Contrary to Florestan Fernandes, they acquired new functions and meanings in the industrialized, capitalist society, hindering blacks’ access to material and symbolic benefits through their disqualification.

The futebol world itself is not without its reproductions of of old prejudices. The episodes involving Tinga, Arouca, referee Márcio Chagas da Silva and Paulão show that it is far from a more racially just society.

In the country of unstable and slippery, if not hypocritical racism, it is imperative that we, educators ,  always be attentive to the prejudice of everyday life so that we can work with students, not the racism of others, but our own.

* Denaldo Alchorne de Souza is a postdoctoral fellow in History from USP, Professor of History at the Rede Federal Tecnológica and researcher at Ludens-USP

Source: Carta Educação

Note

  1. See also how negro and mulato players once wore rice powder on their faces to disguise their blackness. The story here.

40 comments on “The ambiguous trajectory of racism in futebol in Brazil

  1. bamabrasileira
    May 25, 2016

    White people have ALWAYS been afraid of the “rise of the Black (fill in the blank with whatever you want)”. The arena of sports is, perhaps, one of the most unambiguous places for them to see their worst fears realized, due to the inability to hide or cheat before an audience. This racism pretty much applies to all Black people in all sports – particularly because of how Black folks have a tendancy to EASILY wipe the floor with white opponents in a way that is also entertaining for the viewer. I would theorize that we do have more intelligent physiques than the average white person, since our DNA carries the secrets of the Earth and possible the Universe. Given the opportunity in any area of life, WE SLAY, and white folks just cannot handle it. I always have to laugh at how fearful white people become when we dominate spaces they think of as “theirs”. All they really have to fall back on is name – calling. But as I have posited in the past, Black people must not allow ourselves to be stymied by a weak, white, nothing calling us names. In fact, I have to admit that I am a bit amused whenever their collective inferiority complex manifests (as long as they are not killing or physically hurting us in any way), The more I study them as a populace, the more I see how soul-less they are. Perhaps that is why they are, quite literally, going extinct (as is evidenced by the plummetting birth rates of virtually all Euro-dominated nations except the USA, which relies heavily on immigration to keep the population growing). Of course, looking at the following videos, I can understand why we cause them to shake in their boots

    Exhibit A: Black Capoera:

    Exhibit B: White Trying their Best without a Brazilian facilitator :-):

    • Wayne Gio
      May 27, 2016

      THANK YOU EUROPEAN IMMIGRATION FROM 1820 TO 1945 MY GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT GRANDPARENTS GENERATIONS CAME FROM GERMANY AND PORTUGAL BUT IM BRAZILIAN ITS NOT MY FAULT MY GREAT ANCESTORS CAME TO BRAZIL

  2. PTR
    May 25, 2016

    Great post. Gatas, do you know if this Fried guy considered himself black? I can almost bet he didn’t, as this was the norm but would be interesting to know for sure.

    Bama, awesome commentary as usual ” The arena of sports is, perhaps, one of the most unambiguous places for them to see their worst fears realized, due to the inability to hide or cheat before an audience.”

    Fantastic, simply fantastic….

  3. PTR
    May 25, 2016

    Hahahahaha, and only know I checked the youtube videos!! LOL!

    • bamabrasileira
      May 25, 2016

      LOLOL! Thanks! Those videos have been tripping me out for a couple of months now. This was the perfect opportunity to share the humor with eerrrrbody else 😀

      • Wayne Gio
        May 27, 2016

        THANKS TO EUROPEAN IMMIGRATION BETWEEN 1820 AND 1945 MANY EUROPEANS IMMIGRATED TO THE SOUTH OF BRAZIL STARTING IN THE EARLY 1800S MANY GERMANS , ITALIANS , PORTUGESE , POLISH , UKRAINIANS , RUSSIANS CAME TO THE SOUTH OF BRAZIL WITH FAMILIES AND THE WHITE POPULATION INCREASED IF IT WAS NOT FOR EUROPEAN IMMIGRATION TODAY BRAZIL WILL BE JUST LIKE HAITI TODAY THE WHITE POPULATION IN BRAZIL IS 50% THANKS TO EUROPEAN IMMIGRATION FROM 1820 TO 1945 TODAY BRAZIL HAS THE LARGEST ITALIAN ANCESTRY POPULATION OUTISIDE ITALY , THE LARGEST POLISH AND GERMAN ANCESTRY POPULATION IN LATIN AMERICA THE LARGEST SLAVIC ANCESTRY POPULATION IN LATIN AMERICA

        I LOVE EUROPEAN IMMIGRATION TO BRAZIL FROM 1820 TO 1945 MORE THAN 7 MILLION EUROPEANS CAME TO BRAZIL DURING 1820 TO 1945 THEY OUTNUMBERED THE THE NUMBER OF SLAVES THAT CAME TO BRAZIL WHICH WAS 4 MILLION

        THANKS TO EUROPEAN IMMIGRATION FROM 1820 TO 1945 BRAZIL IS NOT A BLACK COUNTRY FROM THE BOTTOM MY HEART THANK YOU EUROPEAN IMMIGRATION IM GERMAN AND PORTUGESE BUT WAS BORN IN BRAZIL GENERATIONS BRAZIL RECIEVED THE LARGEST EUROPEAN DIASPORA IN THE AMERICAS AFTER THE UNITED STATES BRAZIL HAS THE LARGEST WHITE POPULATION IN LATIN AMERICA

      • gatasnegrasbrasileiras
        May 27, 2016

        Seriously Wayne, why do you keep posting this stuff? I wrote that that you were sounding like a pure white supremacist in a previous reply, but then you wrote that you didn’t want to sound that way and that Brazil needed more diversity.

        Because of this, I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt…

        But I see that you’re back to your promotion of whiteness. And as I wrote before, this isn’t really the place for that. Brazil’s media, politics, wealth, business and everything else is already dominated by whiteness, which is why this blog was created.

        People love to point to Haiti as the country they are glad NOT to be. And honestly, the way Brazil treats Haitian immigrants it’s easy to see that Brazilians feel that way too.

        Before you take such low blows at Haiti I would suggest that you learn why Haiti became what it is, and what French and American influence had to do with that. If you take the time to learn this, you will discover that your Europeans/whites deliberately made Haiti the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere. In the same way that they robbed the entire African continent of its resources and made it so that the people of the wealthiest continent on the planet don’t benefit from their natural resources.

        As I wrote before, I freely admit that there are millions of people in Brazil who would be considered white anywhere in the world. So what is your point in continuously writing about the white population? The title of this blog is “Black Women of Brazil”. If you’d like to discuss white people of Brazil, perhaps you start your own blog or participate in other blogs that discuss that topic.

  4. bamabrasileira
    May 27, 2016

    @ WayneGio – Brazil is 51% percent Black and foreign people have no interest in “white” Brazilians. It is Black Brazilian culture that captures the heart and imagination of the world. It’s a good thing there are youtube videos, since “white” Brazilians have played such an insignificant roll in creating the awesome things for which Brazil is known. On the other hand, they have done a great job of destroying all things since they got here (see inept Portuguese colonialists , military dictatorship members, Collor, and most recently, Dilma Rousseff). Thank GAWD they are the minority in the country and going extinct at a record pace. But just in case you have forgotten the destructive impact of white people in Brazil, be sure to watch the following:

    • Wayne Gio
      May 27, 2016

      whites are minority in brazil ??????????? you are wrong !!!!!!!!! whites in brazil make up nearly half 48 to 49% of the population of brazil there are more than 90 million white brazilians out of 200 million 90 million whites in brazil is allot for brazil size brazil has the largest white population in latin america and the 3rd largest white population in the world brazil has more whites than other european iberian countries

      90 million white brazilians is allot NOW brazil is the the number 1 latin american country with more whites in latin america brazil has more whites than argentina

      brazil has the 3rd largest white population in the world after USA AND RUSSIA

      GUESS WHAT ?????? BRAZIL OR SOUTHERN BRAZIL HAS THE LARGEST ITALIAN ANCESTRY DIASPORA POPULATION AFTER ITALY THERE ARE MORE ITALIAN DESCENDANTS IN BRAZIL THAN THE UNITED STATES DURING THE 1800S MORE ITALIANS IMMIGRATED TO BRAZIL THAN AMERICA NOW THAT IS A FACT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      IF YOU THINK IM LYING TAKE A LOOK AT MY SOURCES WIKIPEDIA AND WORLD FACT BOOK SOURCES BELOW

      SOURCES :

      1. BRAZIL HAS THE LARGEST WHITE POPULATION IN SOUTH AMERICA

      https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=European_diaspora&oldid=705991654

      BRAZIL HAS THE LARGEST WHITE POPULATION IN LATIN AMERICA AFTER USA

      2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Latin_Americans

      3. BRAZIL HAS THE LARGEST ITALIAN ANCESTRY POPULATION IN THE WORLD THERE ARE MORE ITALIANS IN BRAZIL THAN THE USA SOURCES

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italians

      4. BRAZIL HAS THE LARGEST GERMAN ANCESTRY POPULATION IN LATIN AMERICA

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germans

      PEACE MY BROTHER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • gatasnegrasbrasileiras
        May 27, 2016

        Hello again Wayne!

        Excuse me, but didn’t you recently write that your last comment would be your last and also apologizing for coming across as a white supremacist? But this is exactly what you’re doing here.

        Again, I have no problem acknowledging white Brazilians. There are millions in the country, particularly in southern Brazil.

        I also believe that many people who see themselves as “white/branco” are not in fact white but rather light-skinned mestiços. If you claim that mestiços don’t belong in the black category, I would argue that millions of “brancos” are in fact “pardos”. If you disagree with this, you are in denial.

        Again, I have no problem if you want to express pride in your whiteness, but this blog is called Black Women of Brazil. Your views would perhaps be better appreciated on a white site. Why not create a blog entitled “White People of Brazil”?

        In your last comment you also said that Brazil’s media should have more diversity. How is it that you come here and post all of these comments about whiteness if you in fact agree that Brazil’s media presents a distorted image of Brazil as a a whole?

        I respectfully ask, either tone down the comments or find another blog to share you views.

  5. Wayne Gio
    May 27, 2016

    ALSO 51 % OF BRAZIL IS NOT BLACK 7.61% IS BLACK ONLY PARDOS MAKE UP 42% OF THE POPULATION OF BRAZIL WHEN I MEAN PARDOS THEY CAN BE ARABS , MESTIZOS AND MULLATOS MULLATOS ARE BLACK BY THE ONE BLOOD DROP RULE

    PARDOS CAN BE ARABS ,

    MESTIZO = WHITE + NATIVE INDIAN

    THE REASON YOU SAY 51% IS WRONG PARDOS ARE ALSO MESTIZOS YOU ARE COUNTRING MESTIZOS AS BLACK ?????? THATS IS WRONG MESTIZOS IN BRAZIL ARE 30% MULLATOS ARE 21%

    SO IN REALLITY BLACKS ONLY MAKE UP 7 TO 23 OF THE POPULATION

    SOURCES BRAZIL IS NOT 51% BLACK !!!!!! BRAZIL IS 7 TO 23 % BLACK I THINK YOUA RE GETTING CONFUSED WITH THE WORD PARDO PARDOS CAN BE ARABS , MIXED RACE PEOPLE LIKE WHITE + NATIVE INDIAN WHICH ARE CALLES MESTIZOS MESTIZOS DONT HAVE BLACK BLOOD THEY HAVE WHITE AND INDIAN BLOOD
    SOURCES :
    https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pardo_Brazilians&oldid=639260691

  6. Wayne Gio
    May 27, 2016

    BRAZIL IS NOT 51% BLACK PARDOS AND BLACKS MAKE UP 51% PARDOS ARE MAJORITY IN BRAZIL NOT BLACKS

    MAJORITY BY ORDER

    1. WHITES 48%
    2. PARDOS 42%
    3 BLACKS MAKE UP ONLY 7% OF THE BRAZILIAN POPULATION

    BLACKS ARE NOT 51% YOU ARE GETTING CONFUSED YOU ARE COUNTING MESTIZOS AS BLACKS ????? THATS FUNNY

    MESTIZOS ARE WHITE + HAVE NATIVE INDIAN BLOOD MESTIZOS DONT HAVE BLACK BLOOD THAT IS ONLY MULLATOS WHICH ARE 23% OF THE POPULATION

    BLACK IN BRAZIL MAKE YP 7 TO 23% OF THE POPULATION SO THAT MEANS THAT BLACKS IN BRAZIL ARE A MINORITY I ALREADY PROVED YOUR IGNROANCE ABOUT MY COUNTRY

    YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT PARDOS LOOK LIKE THEY ARE NOT BLACK PARDOS CAN BE ARABS OR MESTIZOS NOT BLACK AND MULALTOS LOOK AT MY SOURCES BELOW THERE ARE PICTURES WHERE YOU CAN TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A PARDO AND A BLACK PERSON

    https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pardo_Brazilians&oldid=639260691

  7. Wayne Gio
    May 27, 2016

    whites are minority in brazil ??????????? you are wrong !!!!!!!!! whites in brazil make up nearly half 48 to 49% of the population of brazil there are more than 90 million white brazilians out of 200 million 90 million whites in brazil is allot for brazil size brazil has the largest white population in latin america and the 3rd largest white population in the world brazil has more whites than other european Iberian countries
    90 million white brazilians is allot NOW brazil is the the number 1 latin american country with more whites in latin america brazil has more whites than argentina

    brazil has the 3rd largest white population in the world after USA AND RUSSIA

    GUESS WHAT ?????? BRAZIL OR SOUTHERN BRAZIL HAS THE LARGEST ITALIAN ANCESTRY DIASPORA POPULATION AFTER ITALY THERE ARE MORE ITALIAN DESCENDANTS IN BRAZIL THAN THE UNITED STATES DURING THE 1800S MORE ITALIANS IMMIGRATED TO BRAZIL THAN AMERICA NOW THAT IS A FACT

  8. bamabrasileira
    May 27, 2016

    That’s intersting, because everyone except you says that the majority of Brazilians are “Afro-descendentes” (which means BLACK) :-D:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-15766840

    • Leonardo
      August 9, 2016

      Just because many people believe something to be true doesn’t mean it’s actually true. This is a logical fallacy. Millions of people used to believe that the Sun revolved around the Earth, but that latern turned out to be completely false.

      It’s funny how you dismiss his Wikipedia articles by saying that the site ‘can be edited by anyone’ but yet you fail to understand that ALL Wikipedia articles on statistics or things like this have REFERENCES in the site’s footnote. 🙂 Have you seen the references? It’s not Wikipedia’s word or his word: it’s the CENSUS’ word, the FACTS’ word.

      So no, Brazil is not such a black country.
      Anyone planning on coming here to escape racism in their home countries is making a terrible choice. According to several census, 48% of the population is whitewhite (light-skinned), 42% is mixed-race (which counts Arabs, Indians, etc – you should know that Brazil is a very ethnically diverse country, and that many dark-skinned people of non-African descent are counted as black by most other people, when that is simply not the case), and only 7% of the population is truly black (African descent).

      You’re wrong 🙂 Here’s not a good escape for people fleeing racism.

      Hugs from Curitiba – PR.

  9. Wayne Gio
    May 27, 2016

    WITH ALL THOSE SOURCES I GAVE TO YOU AND VIDEOS I GUESS I WON THIS DEBATE YOU ARE NOT RESPONDING I WON THIS DEBATE YOU DONT HAVE ENOUGH SOUCRES TO BEAT ME AT THIS DEBATE

    I JUST PROVEN THAT BRAZIL IS NOT 51% BLACK

    BLACKS ONLY MAKE UP 7 TO 23 % OF THE BRAZILIAN POPULATION REMEMBER IM COUNTING BLACKS AND MULLATOS HERE IN BRAZIL MULLATOS = BLACK AND WHITE BLOODS ARE CONSIDERED BLACK IN BRAZIL BY THE ONE BLOOD DROP RULE JUST LIKE IN THE UNITED STATES

    MESTIZOS MAKE UP MORE THAN 30% OF THE PARDO POPULATION AND ARABS ARE VEN INCLUDED IN THE PARDO POPULATION

    THE REASON WHY WHY SAY BLACKS ARE MAJORITY IN BRAZIL IS BECAUSE THEY DONT GIVE YOU ENOUGH DATA BLACKS IN BRAZIL ARE ONLY 7 TO 23 % OF THE POPULATION BLACKS AND MULALTOS ARE MINORITY IN BRAZIL

    MESTIZOS = NATIVE INDIAN + WHITE MIX MESTIZOS MAKE UP THE 2ND LARGEST GROUP IN BRAZIL AFTER WHITE BRAZILIANS

    WANT TO KNOW WHAT PARDOS LOOK LIKE TAKE A LOOK AT THIS BELOW I GUESS I WON THIS BATTLE BROTHER

    SOURCES WANT TO KNOW WHAT PARDOS LOOK LIKE THEY DONT EVEN HAVE BLACK BLOOD AND YOU CONSIDER THAM BLACK TAKE A LOOK AT THIS BELOW

    https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pardo_Brazilians&oldid=639260691

  10. Wayne Gio
    May 27, 2016

    ONCE AGAIN AFRO BRAZILIANS ARE NOT MAJORITY IN BRAZIL YOU ARE BRAINWASHED BY BLACK SUPREMACIST IN BRAZIL THEY COUNT MESTIZOS AS BLACKS??????? MESTIZOS IN BRAZIL MAKE UP 30% OF THE POPULATION MULLATOS MAKE UP 23% OF THE POPULATION AND BLACKS MAKE UP 7% OF THE POPULATION SONT GET CONFUSED THOSE VIDEOS ARE WRONG BRAZILIANS ARE STUPID THEY ARE NOT EDUCATED TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BWTWEEN A MESTIZO AND MULLATO ITS TWO DIFFERENT THINGS IS NOT THE SAME

    LOOK HERE BELOW TO SEE WHAT A PARDO LOOKS LIKE PLEASE LOOK AT THIS IF YOU DONT LOOK AT THIS THEN YOU R LYING TO YOURSELF AND ONT WANT TO ADMIT THE TRUTH

    https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pardo_Brazilians&oldid=639260691#Important_or_famous_Pardo_Brazilians

    • gatasnegrasbrasileiras
      May 27, 2016

      Why do you keep repeating the same comments? We already know where you stand. People either agree, disagree, do the research or remain neutral. What is the point of continuing this?

      • Bamabrasileira
        May 27, 2016

        I think Wayne is a troll who might also be on a cocaine binge for the weekend! I don’t think he/she really has a point and,thus, cannot be reasoned with! People like that become afraid and belligerent when you start poking holes in what they think is the truth. And LAWD you have been patient with both of us n this kindergarten spitting contest and I thank you for that😁

  11. bamabrasileira
    May 27, 2016

    Also yes, ” 48-49% of the population is white” means “the minority of the population is white” 🙂

  12. bamabrasileira
    May 27, 2016

    Wikipedia is an unreliable source of information for research purposes, because any person on the planet can write anything they want on it (particularly “white” Brazilians who doo\n’t want to admit that Brazil has a non-white majority. As such, wikipedia articles are not accepted as legitimate sources for the citation of facts.

    However, these sources would be accepted as legitimate citations of data :

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/nov/17/brazil-census-african-brazilians-majority

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-15766840

    http://economia.uol.com.br/noticias/redacao/2015/12/04/negros-representam-54-da-populacao-do-pais-mas-sao-so-17-dos-mais-ricos.htm

    http://www.capitalteresina.com.br/noticias/brasil/maioria-da-populacao-brasileira-e-formada-por-negros-aponta-ibge-34517.html

  13. bamabrasileira
    May 27, 2016

    Wikipedia is not a legitimate source of information – mainly because anyone in the world can “edit” the information at will, without the editing being backed up by facts or research. On the other hand, legitimate sources support the truth: that the majority of Brazillians are Afro-descendente (which makes up the majority of the “pardo/mulatto/moreno/anything other than preto-negro” population of Brazil).

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/nov/17/brazil-census-african-brazilians-majority

    • bamabrasileira
      May 27, 2016
    • Wayne Gio
      May 27, 2016

      ONCE AGAIN YOU ARE WRONG WIKIPEDIA IS A TRUTH SOURCE OF INFORMATION ITS BACKED UP BY SOURCES AND LINKS YOU JUST DONT WANT TO ADMIT THE TRUTH YOU ARE WRONG ABOUT WIKIPEDIA ITS SUPPORTED BY LINKS AND SOURCES IT EVEN GIVES YOU THE LINK

      ONCE AGAIN WHITES IN BRAZIL ARE 48 TO 49% OF THE POPULATION WHITES IN BRAZIL REPRESENT 90 MILLION WHITE BRAZILAINS 90 MILLION IS ALLOT BRAZIL IS THE COUNTRY WITH THE LARGEST WHITE POPULATION IN SOUTH AMERICA SO THAT MEANS BRAZIL IS THE NUMBER 1 COUNTRY IN SOUTH AMERICA WITH THE LARGEST WHITE POPULATION 90 MILLION BRAZILIANS ARE WHITE 48 TO 49% OF THE POPULATION

      BUT AFRO BRAZILIANS MULLATOS AND BLACKS ARE ONLY 23% THE GUARDIAN LACKS ALLLOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT MESTIZOS NOW MESTIZOS MAKE UP 30% OF THE BRAZILIAN POPULATION

      NICE TRY I SAW THE GUARDIAN AND THE GUARDIAN ITS WRONG THEY FORGOT TO INLCLUDE MESTIZOS WHERE ARE THE MESTIZOS TELL ME WHERE ARE THE MESTIZOS ????? IF YOU TELL WHERE IN THE GUARDIAN THEY INCLUIDED MESTIZO THEN I WILL SAY THE GUARDIAN IS RIGHT UNTIL YOU DONT FIND OUT WHERE THEY INLCUDED THE MESTIZOS IN THE GUARDIAN THAT ARTICLE IS USELESS THAT ARTICLE IS WRONG WIKIPEDIA IS MORE RIGHT

      MULLATOS ARE 23% OF THE POPULATION WHILE BLACKS ARE 7% OF THE POPULATION

      ALSO THAT ARTICLE WAS MADE BY BLACK SUPREMACIST FROM BRAZIL IN BRAZIL THERE ARE MORE WHITES IN BRAZIL THAN BLACKS I’M BRAZILIAN AND TAKE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION IN BRAZIL EVERYDAY AND I SEE MORE WHITES THAN PARDOS IN BRAZIL

      • gatasnegrasbrasileiras
        May 27, 2016

        Wayne, again, you wrote that you would stop posting these comments. Why have you continued?

        I also agree that Wikipedia is NOT a reliable source. No serious college or university would accept a source from Wikipedia because 1) Anyone can contribute information to it. 2) The owners of Wikipedia use their liberty to alter or remove information from material they disagree with. 3) If I read Wiki, I will read the articles that it cites rather than citing Wiki itself.

    • Wayne Gio
      May 27, 2016

      I WANT YOUR OPINION LOOK AT THIS ONCE AGAIN THE GUARDIAN IS WRONG ABOUT BRAZIL BECAUSE THEY DID NOT INCLUDE MESTIZOS WHICH ARE WHITE AND NATIVE INDIAN

      YOU KNOW BEFORE WHITES AND BLACKS CAME TO BRAZIL BRAZIL WAS POPULATED WITH MORE THAN 15 MILLION NATIVE INDIAN BRAZILIANS BEFORE SLAVERY IN BRAZIL THE NATIVE INDIANS CAME TO BRAZIL THE PORTUGESE SETTLERS RAPED ALLOT OF INDIAN WOMEN REMEMBER PORTUGESE SETTLERS WHERE WHITE AND THEY RAPED ALLOT OF NATIVE WOMEN WHICH PRODUCED ALLO OF MESTIZOS MESTIZOS DONT HAVE BLACK BLOOD REMEMBER THAT YOU ARE GETTING CONFUSED JUST BECAUSE THE GUARDIAN SAYS THAT AFRO BRAZILIANS ARE MAJORITY DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY ARE RIGHT IN THSI CASE THEY ARE WRONG THE GUARDIAN IS WRONG

      TAKE A LOOK AT THIS TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A MESTIZOS AND A MULLATO YOU WILL SE THE DIFFERENCE IN THIS CHART BELOW YOU MUST LOOK AT HTIS CHART IF YOU DONT LOOK THAN THAT MEANS I WON THIS DEBATE AND YOU LOST

      • Bamabrasileira
        May 27, 2016

        The guardian wasn’t wrong. They just don’t use wikipedia as their primary source of information…

    • Wayne Gio
      May 27, 2016

      BINGO !!!!!!!! I ALMOST FORGOT IN THE LAST 20 YERAS IN BRAZIL MANY AFRICAN AND HAITIAN IMMIGRANTS ARE IMMIGRATING TO BRAZIL LEGALLY AND ILLEGALLY THATS WHY THE BLACK POPULATION ALSO INCREASED FROM 6% TO 7% IN THE LAST 20 YEARS BECAUSE MANY AFRICANS AND HAITIANS ARE IMMIGRATING TO BRAZIL AFTER THE EARTHQUAKE IN HAITI MANY HAITIAINS ARE COMING IN THE MILLIONS TO BRAZIL THATS WHY THE BLACK POPULATION INCREASED IN BRAZIL NOT BY INCREASING BUT BY IMMIGRATION I GUESS IM WINNING THIS BATTLE ITS COMMON SENSE THE MORE BLACK PEOPLE COME TO YOUR COUNTRY THE MORE THE BLACK POPULATION INCREASES BRAZIL USE TO BE 6% BLACK NOW ITS 7.61% DURING THE LAST 25 YEARS IMAGINE THAT

  14. Bamabrasileira
    May 27, 2016

    Nope dude! The academic world does not accept wikipedia documents as legitimate sources of evidence based knowledge. This is because anyone in the world can edit the I formation at any time, regardless of the veracity of the info. Therefore, I cannot accept wikipedia as a source of legitimate I formation either.😉

    Also it’s nice that you can finally accept that whites are not the majority in Brazil. That has never been in dispute for me – it has only been for you. Now, have a nice day!

    • Wayne Gio
      May 27, 2016

      ONCE AGAIN THE GUARDIAN IS WRONG BECAUSE THEY DON’T INCLUDE MESTIZOS WHICH IS 30% OF THE BRAZILIAN POPULATION THE GUARDIAN IS WRONG LACK OF INFORMATION ALSO WIKIPEDIA IS A RELIABLE SOURCE OF INFORMATION
      THE ARTICLE IN THE GUARDIAN WAS WRITTEN BY A BLACK SUPREMACIST LACKING INFORMATION THAT ARTICLE IS WRONG

      BY THE WAY I HAVE A LIFE AND A CAREER NICE TALKING TO YOU GOOD LUCK ON WHATEVER YOU DO

      • Bamabrasileira
        May 27, 2016

        You are allowed to think that is wrong if it helps you sleep at night. However, your personal opinion ion and your blue eyes wil not change the fact that 51% or more of Brazil!Ian’s self identify as afrodescendente – the blanket designation
        of many of your pardos/mulatos/morenos/mestizos/yellows/ – and white Brazilians are a minority in the country just as white people are the minority on the planet itself. Better get back to your career!😉

  15. Wayne Gio
    May 27, 2016

    SEE YOUR CONTRADICTING YOURSLEF IM GLAD YOU KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A MULLATO AND A MESTIZO

    MULLATO = BLACK PARENT + WHITE pARENT

    MESTIZO = NATIVE INDIAN PARENT + WHITE PARENT

    ( MESTIZOS DONT HAVE BLACK BLOOD AND STILL THE GUARDIAN CONSIDERS THEM PART OF THE AFRO BRAZILIAN POPULATION BAD ARTICLE LOL !!!!!!!! FROM THE GUARDIAN THERE IGNORING THE NATIVE INDIAN POPULATION AND THE MESTIZO POPULATION THERE ARE KNOWN AS PARDOS THEY ARE PART OF THE 51% )

    AN ANOTHER THING KEEP DREAMING THAT THE AFRO POPULATION IS 51% ITS ACTUALLY 7% OF THE POPULATION AND 20% IS MULLATO SO THAT MEANS THE AFRICAN DESCENDANT POPULATION IS 27% NOT 51% BECUASE YOU ARE INCLUDING MESTIZOS MESTIZOS DO NOT HAVE BLACK BLOOD THEY ARE WHITE BUT MESTIZOS ARE PARDOS ONE DROP BLOOD RULE

    LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION WHATS THE POINT OF YOU WRITTING ALLOT TO ME BLACK BRAZILIANS HAVE NO VOICE IN BRAZIL THEY ARE NOT IN THE MEDIA , MODELING , SOAP OPERAS , GOVERNMENT ITS ALL CONTROLLED BY WHITES BRAZILIANS WHICH REPRESENT 90 MILLION WHITE BRAZILIANS 48 TO 49% OF THE POPULATION

    WHATS THE POINT OF YOU WRITTING TO ME YOU HAVE NO VOICE YOU ARE NOTHING IN THE MEDIA , GOVERNMENT , MODELING ETC. YOU SEE MORE WHITE BRAZILIANS IN THE MEDIA GISELE BUNDCHEN , ALESSANDRA AMBROSIO , FERNANDA LIMA ALL ARE MODELS FROM THE SOUTH OF BRAZIL AND THEY ARE THE MOST HIGHLY PAID MODELS IN THE WORLD AND THEY ARE PART OF THE VICTORIA SECRET ANGELS YOU DONT SEE BLACK BRAZILIANS IN MODELING AND GOVERNMENT

    • Bamabrasileira
      May 27, 2016

      So You’re saying that the 51 -53% of Brazilians who declare themselves to be “negro” just don’t know who or what they are…interesting but I am sure they would all disagree with you. Also,yes, I am saying that,in a country in which miscegenation has been heavily practiced since it was founded, “mestizo” is, in many cases, just one of the MANY euphemisms Brazilians have for BLACK😉

      • Wayne Gio
        May 28, 2016

        LISTEN SORRY WHAT I SAID ABOUT BLACK BRAZILIANS NOT HAVING A VOICE IN THE MEDIA MANY BRAZILIANS OF AFRO DECENT ARE IN THE MEDIA FOR MANY IN THE BLACK AUDIENCE I LOVE BLACK PEOPLE I HAVE ALLOT OF BLACK FRIENDS

        ALSO I DONT WANT YOU TO GET CONFUSED

        MESTIZO = WHITE PARENT + NATIVE INDIAN PARENT

        MULLATO = WHITE PARENT + BLACK PARENT

        FOR EXAMPLE YOU KNOW THE FAMOUS SINGER IN THE UNITED STATES
        vanessa carlton , michelle branch , AND THE FAMOUS ACTOR Keanu Reeves IN BRAZIL THEY WOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED WHITE THEY ARE A MIX OF WHITE AND INDIAN THEY WOULD BE CALLED PARDOS OF MESTIZO ORIGIN

        ALSO KNOW MULLATOS FOR EXAMPLE WOULD BE PEOPLE LIKE DRAKE THE FAMOUS CANADIAN SINGER , ALSO CORREY BOOKER , MARIAH CARREY THERE ARE MULLATOS IN BRAZIL THEY WOULD BE CONSIDERED MULLATO

        NOW YOU KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A MULLATO AND A MESTIZOS THEY ARE NON WHITE BY THE ONE DROP RULE IN ORDER TO BE WHITE YOU HAVE TO HAVE BOTH PARENTS THAT ARE WHITE IN THIS CASE

        FOR EXAMPEL MICHILLE BRANCH AND MARIAH CARREY WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE 2 ????? TEL ME

        DO YOU GET MY POINT IN BRAZIL THERE IS MORE NATIVE INDIANS WHO ARE MIX THAN IN THE UNITED STATES DO YOU GET MY POINT MESTIZOS ARE PARDOS PART OF THE 51% THEY ARE NOT BLACK BUT JUST MESTIZOS

      • Wayne Gio
        May 28, 2016

        LISTEN I WANT YOU TO KNOW WE ARE DEBATING WE ARE NOT FIGHTING WE ARE DEBATING ON TO ONE AND WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I LOVE YOU 😚😚😚😚😚

  16. bamabrasileira
    May 28, 2016

    I will also add that, the moment you step outside of Brazil – which tries its best to erase it’s Blackness – it is WHITE Brazilians who have no voice. No one outside of Brazil can name ANY white Brazilian “star” besides Giselle Bunchen and only OCCASSIONALLY Alessandra Ambrosio (and that’s ONLY if they are interested in Victoria’s Secret). The average person who isn’t from Brazil DOES however know about the racism practiced in the country as well as the rich culture that the Africans have contributed to Brazil. It is because of this that THE ENTIRE WORLD OUTSIDE OF BRAZIL has understood for a long time that Brazil is a Black majority country, and, thus, has a tendancy to consider it a country of Black people. While you have your little insular youtube videos that are shared amongst other white Brazilians, it is the Black Brazilians who have the most powerful voices around the WORLD. It is Black Brazilians who have stories interesting enough to make the world take notice. These are images the world sees when they see Brazil. In fact, the world is so interested in the Afro Brazilian Experience as a whole, that many major production outlets have made documentaries on them. Sorry dude, but Giselle Bundchen is not what most people think of when they think of Brazil, and I would say that only about 20% of the population outside of Brazil even knows who Alessandra Ambrosio is. If you want to know what the rest of the world sees, enjoy these videos:

    ON RACISM IN BRAZIL (documentaries by The Guardian and PBS:

    ON AFRO-BRAZILIAN RELIGION (documentary by BBC):

    ON COLORISM IN BRAZIL (live stream by Al Jazeera):

    ON SAMBA AND CAPOEIRA (documentaries by National Geographic and independant user):

    ON AFRO BRAZILIAN DNA STUDIES/ GENERAL TRADITIONS :

    • Wayne Gio
      May 28, 2016

      ONCE AGAIN YOU ARE GETTING CONFUSED 51% OF BRAZIL IS NOT BLACK MINORITIES ARE MAJORITY IN BRAZIL MINORITIES IN BRAZIL INCLUDE BLACKS , NATIVE INDIANS , MULLATOS , MESTIZOS , ASIANS YOU ARE GETTING CONFUSED YES MINORITIES ARE MAJORITY IN BRAZIL BUT NOT BLACKS

      BLACKS ARE ONLY 7.61 % OF BRAZIL WHILE 20% OF BRAZIL IS MULLATO

      30% OF BRAZILIANS ARE MESTIZOS

      AND WHERE DO YOU GET YOUR STATISTICS THAT PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD ONLY KNOW BLACK BRAZILIANS THAT IS A LIE MANY PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD KNOW THAT WHITE BRAZILIANS DO EXISTS WHO TOLD YOU THAT THAT IS SOMETHING YOU MADE UP LOL

      ALSO I WONT GIVE YOU NO MORE WIKIEPEDIA ARTICLES I WILL GIVE SOURCES FROM DIFFERENT ARTICLE SOURCES TAKE A LOOK AT THIS BRZIL HAS THE 3RD LARGEST WHITE POPULATION IN THE WORLD AFTER USA AND RUSSIA BRAZIL IS THE 3 COUNTRY WITH MOST WHITES IN THE WORLD TAKE A LOOK AT THIS BELOW I WON THIS DEBATE YOU LOST THIS DEBATE LOOK AT THIS BELOW SOURCES AND A VIDEO

      SOURCES(not wikipedia)

      http://www.insidermonkey.com/blog/11-countries-with-highest-white-population-405390/10/

      VIDEO BASED ON THE SOURCES :

  17. bamabrasileira
    May 28, 2016

    @WayneGio – It is clear that we are not fighting. Recognize that you just have one “white” in your country, but many designations for “Black”. You should read over your post in your own time and ask yourself why the rest of the world (not just America) sees Drake as a BLACK man, while Brazilians would rather see him as anything other than Black. Most Black Brazilians are, at this point, waking up to the fact that they are Black and they are doing away for all of the words they have been taught that basically means “not-white-asian-or indian in-Brazil”

    • Wayne Gio
      May 28, 2016

      ONCE AGAIN YOU ARE GETTING CONFUSED 51% OF BRAZIL IS NOT BLACK MINORITIES ARE MAJORITY IN BRAZIL MINORITIES IN BRAZIL INCLUDE BLACKS , NATIVE INDIANS , MULLATOS , MESTIZOS , ASIANS YOU ARE GETTING CONFUSED YES MINORITIES ARE MAJORITY IN BRAZIL BUT NOT BLACKS

      BLACKS ARE ONLY 7.61 % OF BRAZIL WHILE 20% OF BRAZIL IS MULLATO

      30% OF BRAZILIANS ARE MESTIZOS

      AND WHERE DO YOU GET YOUR STATISTICS THAT PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD ONLY KNOW BLACK BRAZILIANS THAT IS A LIE MANY PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD KNOW THAT WHITE BRAZILIANS DO EXISTS WHO TOLD YOU THAT THAT IS SOMETHING YOU MADE UP LOL

      ALSO I WONT GIVE YOU NO MORE WIKIEPEDIA ARTICLES I WILL GIVE SOURCES FROM DIFFERENT ARTICLE SOURCES TAKE A LOOK AT THIS BRZIL HAS THE 3RD LARGEST WHITE POPULATION IN THE WORLD AFTER USA AND RUSSIA BRAZIL IS THE 3 COUNTRY WITH MOST WHITES IN THE WORLD TAKE A LOOK AT THIS BELOW I WON THIS DEBATE YOU LOST THIS DEBATE LOOK AT THIS BELOW SOURCES AND A VIDEO

      SOURCES(not wikipedia)

      http://www.insidermonkey.com/blog/11-countries-with-highest-white-population-405390/10/

      video based on the first source not from wikipedia :

  18. Bamabrasileira
    May 28, 2016

    Gatas thanks for your patience! Now I am SURE that @ Wayne is on a coke binge OR he is bipolar LOLOL! I won’t waste any more of your thread feeding g the troll! Thanks again😀

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