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When they can’t beat you, they can always resort to the sell-out negro: São Paulo elects black city councilor who is as against black cause as any white conservative


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“When white folks can’t defeat you they’ll always find some Negro—some boot-licking, butt-licking, buck-dancing, bamboozled, half-baked, half-fried, sissified, punkified, pasteurized, homogenized nigger—that they can trot out in front of you” – Khalid Muhammad, 1993

Note from BW of Brazil: Could the legendary African-American Muslim activist Khalid Muhammad have known about elections in the city that is considered Brazil’s economic engine in 2016? Well of course he couldn’t have known about this specific case, but as the situation and this particular type of character has been seen in the history of black politics, the above comment can be applied to any and all that fit the bill.

With all of the racial turmoil going on the United States, many African-Americans would probably point to the controversial Milwaukee County sheriff David Clarke as a figure in current times who Muhammad’s words could be applied to. The Republican National Convention speaker’s comments on guns and the Black Lives Matter movement have infuriated hundreds of thousands, if not millions of African-Americans who have labeled him everything from an Uncle Tom, to a sell out, coon and sambo, all derogatory terms directed at at blacks who are seen as representing the interests of a power structure that is repressive to black rights and black lives. 

Over the course of the past few centuries, Brazil has also had its fair share of black men or women who seem to vehemently oppose the struggle for black ascension or simply don’t position themselves on matters that deal with the race issue. In Brazil, these types are often labeled a Pai João, a negro de alma branca (black with a white soul) or, in recent years, a “capitão de mato” (captain of the forest). In Brazil’s slavery era, the main task of the black capitão do mato was to hunt down, capture and return fugitive slaves to captivity. In the modern context, it’s equal to calling someone a “sell-out” or “house negroe”. The Ficha Corrida blog defined these sorts of characters as “the black that does not protest against the measures, the institutions and processes that cause inequality and marginalization of black.” And over the years, the black Brazilian struggle has seen a long line of futebol players, actors, singers, politicians, etc. who could fit this description. But recently, one controversial figure’s name keeps popping up when the discussion is the modern day “capitão de mato”. His name is Fernando Holiday. 

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German artist Rugendas, traveling in Brazil from 1822-1825, portrayed a black ‘capitão-de-mato’, on horseback and pulling a captive (also black) with a rope.

Holiday’s first came up on this blog in a post from April of last year when Anna Beatriz Anjos spoke to a couple of scholars on black issues in Brazil about Holiday’s rhetoric that was gaining popularity due to his frequent tirades on a number of videos posted on YouTube. This rhetoric recently paid off as Holiday was recently elected to the city council of São Paulo, Brazil’s largest city and the center of the country’s economic activity. This is big news because, as we’ve shown in past posts, Afro-Brazilians who attempt to enter the political arena always have difficulty garnering important party and financial support and this is infinitely more difficult for blacks who stand specifically for black issues.

Rejection of the social and economic ascension of the black and poor classes over the past decade has been an issue that has been lurking in the shadows of the recent political turmoil that recently led to the ouster of Brazil’s first female president, Dilma Rousseff. Rousseff’s party, the Workers’ Party (or PT), implemented numerous policies over the past 14 years that offered more opportunities to these classes than any other administration in the nation’s history. And with the Rousseff’s ouster, her replacement and former vice-president, Michel Temer, has seemingly been on a path to undo all of those advancements and take Brazil back to the stone age with massive cuts in health and education spending. The controversial Proposal 241 that is making its way through Congress, is a constitutional amendment that would cap public spending for the next 20 years.

So, in this political environment, in which white male politicians are still favored, what does it tell us when a 20-year old black man who is vehemently opposed to social policies in favor of the black population can rise to city council in the country’s most economically important city? If Holiday were to use his fiery speaking style to speak in favor of a black political agenda, Brazilians would immediately be labeling him a ‘black Hitler’,  a black hate monger or reverse racist, but as he supports ending affirmative action policies, which have shown how divided Brazil really is since its implementation, he earns a seat in politics. The fact that many in social networks are comparing Holiday to the Stephen character portrayed by actor Samuel L. Jackson in the 2012 film Django Unchained should give you an idea of how many people are feeling about him. Below are just a few pieces for our readers to get an idea of how Holiday is seen in black social and political circles. 

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Pro-impeachment movement adopts a black man who hates blacks

Connected to the organizers of pro-impeachment actions, Fernando Holiday may be a puppet in the hands of the movement or acting on his own convictions. Whether one or the other, it’s sad to see a black teenager calling the fight for affirmative action a “discourse of vagrancy” and playing the role of capitão do mato (captain of the forest/sell out). All that remains is hoping that one day he frees himself of this psychological misery.

By Marcos Sacramento

What leads a black guy to scream on camera against the introduction of racial quotas in universities and in public competitions? I was in doubt after seeing the video of one Fernando Holiday, in which he criticizes the actions of black militants during a class at USP (University of São Paulo).

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“Holiday, the black man that calls black quota students ‘worms'”

“We blacks and poor can succeed in life through merit, we don’t need to be like worms, like true parasites through the state, wanting to erode more and more with this discourse of shit, with this discourse of trash. You make of blacks true pigs in the sty that are digging through the mud after the rest that the state has to offer. The poor from the suburbs, blacks from the periphery, don’t submit yourselves to this discourse,” he thunders.

I felt some discomfort during the just over five minute speech, in which he acted as the worst of racists when comparing blacks with worms. If calling someone a monkey is execrable, and dehumanizes the victim, what about worms, beings of an even lower scale of the evolutionary chain?

I do not know where from such bitterness comes from, but it can only be this bitterness that makes him ignore the historical context and research that demonstrate the need for racial quotas in universities. According to a study from the State University of Rio de Janeiro (UERJ), “in higher education, the disproportion between the presence of the preto e parda (black and brown) population and the branca (white) population tripled between 1976 and 2006. If in 1976 5% of whites over 30 years of age had a college degree, compared to 0.7% of blacks, in 2006, whites had a higher education degree amounted to 18% of the population, compared to only 5% of blacks. Despite a substantial expansion of the offer of places in higher education in this period, the racial gap was not reduced. This reality began to change only after the adoption of affirmative action policies in the early 2000s.”

Another study, of the IBGE, found that from 2001 to 2011 the percentage of blacks in higher education increased from 10.2% to 35.8%, a result in part of affirmative action that began to be implemented starting in 2003. Despite the increase the percentage is still below the 50.7% of blacks in the population, showing the urgent need to consolidate the quota policies.

Really perplexing, on principle I considered the video adolescent foolishness of which Holiday would be ashamed after learning more about the statistics on the black population, but I changed my mind when searching his page on Facebook.

The fan page obeys the reactionary playbook and has hate posts against leftists, feminists, Dilma, and calls for the next demonstration against the government.

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Have you ever seen a black racist? Fernando Holiday

The tantrum against quotas is a constant and already appears in the first video, in which the denial of racism meets misogyny: “If it’s like this, let’s make quotas for the gostosa (hot girls) (…) because there are places that are missing. Fefeleche says so, but it would that zoo, that fleabag.” Fefeleche (FFLCH) is the nickname of the Faculdade de Filosofia, Letras e Ciências Humanas (Faculty of Philosophy, Letters and Human Sciences) of USP, one of the favorite targets of the neoconservative patrol.

Holiday, 18, is connected to the Movimento Brasil Livre (Free Brazil Movement), one of the “liberal” entities organizing protests on March 15th. Mixed in his speeches is the middle class nonconformity of (journalist) Rachel Sheherazade with Luiz Carlos Alborghetti’s histrionics of bad taste (1).

It came to be approved for the Philosophy course at Unifest (Federal University of São Paulo), but told Folha de São Paulo (newspaper) in an interview during the protest, that he’s still deciding where he will study. At the time, he said he was invited to enter MBL after the impact of one of his videos.

Maybe he’s a puppet in the hands of the movement or acting on his own convictions. Most likely a combination of the two situations in which the MBL found the perfect figure to nullify criticism that it is a stronghold of the white elite and Holiday is celebrated with thousands of curtidas (likes) on Facebook. Ultimately, they deserve each other.

Whether one thing or the other, it’s sad to see a black teenager calling the fight for affirmative action a “discourse of vagrancy” and playing the role of capitão do mato.

All that remains is to wait for Holiday, in some moment, to free himself of that psychological misery. The reality (and he obviously knows it) is that he will always be black.

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“Holiday, the Brazilian Stephen”

Holiday, the Capitão do Mato

By Vanessa Oliveira

A vídeo is circulating on the Internet of a young black man, Fernando Holiday, criticizing quotas, he’s one of the participants of the pro-impeachment (of former President Dilma Rousseff) working assiduously in favor of the capitalist system. It is amazing his lack of historical and legislative knowledge. With very shallow comments and with many offenses, and even chauvinist incitements, he claims that blacks don’t need quotas because they have to attain vacancies in college through merit.

So let’s go there. Does he know that affirmative action is established not only in Brazil but in many countries for historical reparations?

One of the first countries that made this public policy official was the United States in the 1960s of the twentieth century, to combat the differences between whites and blacks. They were established after an analysis and reading of the historical and social context experienced in the country, and thus it proved that because of such inequalities and their consequences in society, actions should be generated for its repair, these policies have validity and can be re-evaluated, ie, as soon as this inequality no longer exists, the actions also lose their validity.

We know that within this capitalist system, such reparations are still minimal and must in fact be followed so that they really happen, but this isn’t in any way what was presented by Holiday, moreover the vestibular (college entrance exam) as we know is based on the meritocratic criteria where the vacancy at the university is for whoever achieves the highest score on the tests.

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But how do you compete in unequal situations? Poverty in Brazil has color, and lives mostly in remote areas where access to school exists, however the conditions of studies are poor, lacking teachers, teaching materials, teaching support, and students often need to go to school at night, because they work during the day. While the bourgeoisie, majority white, has a private school of quality, they study full-time, and don’t go through tough economic and social times. Is it true that only individual effort is enough? Could it be that the score that affirmative action quotas assign to blacks can match all the unpreparedness that blacks carry from the beginning of their school life?

Obviously not, the number of blacks in the universities is still very small compared to the number of whites. After the abolition of slaves, so-called “free” blacks were crushed by the immigration process, and cornered to take on the worst jobs. Studying in these conditions was often not prioritized because it was necessary to work to survive. And this yoke weighs heavily on many families today.

Saying to blacks that quotas aren’t necessary to get into college, because this makes him inferior, expressed the lack of understanding of the historical context of the colonial period in Brazil, where whites had privileged opportunities to achieve social mobility, and blacks didn’t have the same privileges.

Holiday is the ideal type of guy to reinforce the ideologies of the right, where merit is above all things, where your competencies only depend on your individual effort, quite neoliberal practices, where the one who wins is the best.

It is clear that he reproduces a ready text, and we’re tired of hearing it, and unfortunately many blacks still agree to be included in this system, which puts the problem on an individual level, not as a social problem created by the inequalities that capitalism produces.

Snippet from video: “Just because I have a little more melanin I need to steal someone else’s place! This is not fair! I don’t need to steal anyone else’s place! Blacks don’t need to steal anyone else’s place! We can get in through merit!”

I, as a black woman, repudiate Holiday and this pro-impeachment position because his discourse favors only the Casa Grande (Big House/slave master’s house), and he as a good Capitão do Mato is defending the interests of his boss. The impeachment in no way will favor women, students and black workers, unlike the bourgeoisie with its nostalgic discourse, really wants to go back to slavery times and we see the enormous amount of proposed laws in the Câmara (House) and Senate that are being voted on and that disfavor workers’ rights.

We as black leftists should position ourselves forward in this fight, but following examples of resistance such as Zumbi because racist practices will end only when capitalism falls. This fallacy of racial democracy exists only for those who have not perceived their color, and the inequalities that surround it. We must build an increasingly critical and liberating thought to get rid of these shackles that still disturb us daily, and Holiday is one of those shackles.

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Fernando Holiday (of the MBL): Capitão do Mato is a black man against blacks

A black man that doesn’t know his own history is appalling

By Nicholas Neto

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Meme created on September 18, 2016: “A peon of the Casa Grande (big house/slave master’s house) in the city council of São Paulo. Vote for Fernando Holiday 25 024”

Of whom am I speaking? Again Fernando Holiday, elected city councilor in São Paulo for the DEM party and one of the organizers of the Movimento Brasil Livre (MBL or Free Brazil Movement).

Marilia Lydia interviewed him on Jornal da Gazeta TV journal. In addition to the preposterous ideas that I already know he defends and walking in the direction of those preached by conservative sectors, backwards, as well as defended by the white elites of the country such as the extinction of the secretariats for blacks and LGBT – very important departments for promoting racial and social equality, the young man with black skin, but with ideas of a capitão do mato (captain of the woods/sell out), taskmaster and plantation owner, he went further and dismissed the struggles of black movements and the activists themselves.

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Fernando Holiday campaign flyer

In his comments, Holiday elaborates that he is against racial quotas, black consciousness and disregards the movimentos negros (black movements). According to him, the movement was taken by people who believe themselves to be owners of the truth. There aren’t, according to Holiday, people within these movements do fact that in fact question the need or the efficiency of having a day for consciência negra (black consciousness) or the necessity or efficiency of having racial quotas. The representative of the MBL presents deplorable arguments from the historical point of view to state that Zumbi doesn’t represent the symbolism of Consciência Negra because he sees him as a killer, a slave owner. “This guy that is little known, that we know little about,” he added when talking about the leader of Palmares.

To complete his blunders, he presented a discourse of elites brancas (white elites), racist sectors and believes that racism is fought with silence, but never with struggle. The movimentos negros for the elected councilor don’t help fight racism because they present speeches that feed vitimismo (victimhood) and demean blacks. Holiday is therefore an advocate of meritocracy and legalized racism.

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Holiday in a still from an interview with Maria Lydia

Holiday urgently needs to go back to history lessons or study day and night and take the vestibular (college entrance exam) for this discipline; because he definitely doesn’t know the story of black men and women. Nor does he know the historical struggles of various black movements that have spread throughout Brazil and its achievements that, because of Brazil being a racist country, are still very few. He needs to know not only the biography of Zumbi, but Dandara, Aqualtune, Luisa Mahin, Mestre Bimba, Abdias do Nascimento, Antoinette de Bairro, Carolina Maria de Jesus, Grande Otelo….

He also needs and with the same urgency to visit the movimentos negros that are in constant struggles for an end to racism and for the promotion of racial equality, I cite here the Grupo de Valorização Negra do Cariri (GRUNEC or Black Valuation Group of Cariri ) and the Grupo de Mulhres Negra do Cariri – Pretas Simoa (Group of Black Women of Cariri – Black Simoa).

SourcePragmatismo Político, Negro NicolauEsquerda Diário

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  1. Luiz Carlos Alborghetti (Andradina, São Paulo, February 12, 1945 — Curitiba, Paraná, December 9, 2009) was an Italian-Brazilian radio commenter, showman and political figure. He was a Conservative voice on the radio. Among his program casting characteristics, he was notable for some peculiar details: reading glasses, a pen in-between the fingers of his right hand, a facial towel hanging on his shoulders and (mainly) his acid, challenging speeches (regularly full of obscene words and gestures) and a solid wood club which he ostensively used to smack on anything near him (mostly his table) when angered. After several months off-work for health treatment, Alborghetti died of lung cancer. Alborghetti was a Paraná state deputy from 1986 to 2002. Source

12 comments on “When they can’t beat you, they can always resort to the sell-out negro: São Paulo elects black city councilor who is as against black cause as any white conservative

  1. kenneth duncan
    October 21, 2016

    as malcom x said yrs ago to teach a man to hate himself is more criminal than teaching him to hate someone else!

  2. Mike
    October 22, 2016

    This just goes to show that Cooning is widespread all across the African diaspora. On social media, I myself have come across American ,Brazilian, British, Caribbean, Canadian, and even African coons who themselves believe every single lie that White Supremacist tell about Black people smh. The psychological damage of slavery done to Black people worldwide is astonishing.

  3. Marciomedeiros
    October 22, 2016

    You guys are lashing out against/getting on at him because he thinks differently and doesn’t buy into the leftist propaganda? Let’s face it guys: Brazil is going to become a very conservative nation soon, and that’s already happening (certain regions, like the Southeast, South, Center and Western Brazil have already become very right-wing). Bolsonaro (right-wing) is becoming more and more popular, and in 2018, hopefully he will be elected and change many things that are wrong with this country.

    Stop playing the victim so much. People are finally waking up and learning not to vote for divisive parties.

    I am black too and don’t buy into leftist propaganda. He’s only speaking facts.

    Hugs from Salvador, BA.

    • Realist
      October 23, 2016

      BW of B might need to address the issue of Bolsonaro more directly. One would have imagined that some of his statements would have already disqualified him from getting any popular support. http://www.americasquarterly.org/content/jair-bolsonaro-pro-torture-anti-gay-and-brazils-future-president

    • gatasnegrasbrasileiras
      October 23, 2016

      Marcio: Let me be the first to say that I don’t support extreme left wing or extreme right wing politics as BOTH can be detrimental to society. Both sides of the political trajectory are controlled by the same forces, but the vast majority of people don’t perceive this. Both sides equally spread political ideological propaganda in which the objective is to slowly erode the rights of average citizens while cloking themselves in rhetoric of representation of the people.

      In my view, support for politicians such as Bolsonaro tells us much about how much support authoritative ideologies have in Brazil, which reminds me of the types of politics that led to military rule over 50 years ago. I suppose you would support that as well, right? Torture, disappeared people, vast socio-economic inequality. Tells me a bit about your personality.

      In terms of Holiday, everyone has the right to their own opinions, but Holiday’s arguments leave much to be desired and I believe people take offense to the insults he directs toward the Movimento Negro and the inflammatory vitriol he uses to express his opinions.

      It’s very curious how much a figure to rise, seemingly, out of nowhere, representing some of the same forces that seek to increase the vast inequalities that have always been the norm in Brazil.

      Brazil is and ALWAYS has been an exploited colony of international rule and if Neves or Bolsonaro types should take control of the nation, you will see exactly where this will lead: a country that is just above slavery.

      We are already getting a taste of what this would look like right now under Temer, who has a clear objective of destroying as much as possible in the two years he has to do so and place the country under even more direct control of internationalists.

      • Marcio Medeiros
        October 23, 2016

        What international rule are you talking about? This is BS. I suppose you’re referring to the opening of the market to more and more foreign companies (building a strong free market), which is what we need and one of the things he’s going to do.

        He simply wants people to be equal within the law, and treated with no differences at all. That means racial quotas, for example, are likely to disappear if he’s elected and the majority of our Congress becomes right-wing. Free-tuition public universities may also end, because Brazil’s GDP is too low for the country to invest in both basic and high education at the same time. But in turn, with a free market and cheaper/lesser taxes, the quality of life will slowly improve and things will become affordable to most people, and he’s going to focus on the basic education (since students in Brazilian schools currently seem to have no respect for their teachers, I think militarization of public schools could be a good idea – Brazil’s military schools have an education system comparable to those in developed countries and are better than most private schools in the country). Thus, everyone is going to be able to apply for college and get there with almost the same chances, with a very good education acquired during high school.

        He’s probably not going to do what happened 50 years ago again. That is the past. We now have a constitution and guess what military commander and officials said when rightwing people were asking for military intervention before Dilma’s impeachment? They said those people must be crazy and showed total disagreement with that idea. A right-wing government doesn’t need to be a military government in order to govern the country with right-wing policies and ideas.

        If you’re offended by what he says and believes in, the best thing to do is to ignore him, after all, he has a right to free speech.

        In short, we’ve seen that the left-wing governments in Brazil do not work, so isn’t it time for something new?

        Hugs

      • gatasnegrasbrasileiras
        October 23, 2016

        Marcio:

        I will respond in my comments below.

        “He simply wants people to be equal within the law, and treated with no differences at all.”

        No differences at all? In what society does that exist? Equality is something elites will ALWAYS promote as an ideology although they never plan to make it happen. I’m not a fan of left or right, PT or Tucano, but PT was in power for 14 years. What about all of the governments since independence of Brazil? How do you explain the vast inequalities in those administration? This is not a PT problem. It is an elite problem.

        “and the majority of our Congress becomes right-wing”

        Again, I won’t go down this road.It is a trap and waste of time to argue left vs. right. Both wings are of the same bird. One will exploit people one way and the other, another way. Waster of time this argument and most people are still stuck on that.

        “Free-tuition public universities may also end, because Brazil’s GDP is too low for the country to invest in both basic and high education at the same time.”

        OK, so you support “if you can’t pay, you don’t go to school”? Another elitist idea, huh?

        “cheaper/lesser taxes”

        Cheaper taxes will never happen because Brazil has ALWAYS been a colony of globalist elites.

        “the quality of life will slowly improve and things will become affordable to most people”

        When has life in Brazil ever been affordable? The cost of living is GOING up all over the world!

        “militarization of public schools could be a good idea”

        I would never support militarization of anything. I’m seeing the US slowly descend into militarization and endless murders in the favelas will never persuade me in favor of militarization.

        “If you’re offended by what he says and believes in, the best thing to do is to ignore him, after all, he has a right to free speech.”

        He does have the right to say what he wants, but I also have the right to criticize him.

        Let me advise you about something. We can never know what’s truly going on by listening to mainstream media. In the same way that protests of 2013 were a farse and controlled by the same forces that organized mass protests across the world since 2010, I also believe Holiday is a farse who was the recipient of behind the scenes strategy. The same with Marina. The same with Aecio. The same with Temer. If you don’t realize or understand that this conversation would be a waste of time.

      • gatasnegrasbrasileiras
        October 23, 2016

        By the way, your asking “What international rule are you talking about?” proves my exact point. Until you learn the truth about who REALLY controls Brazil, nothing I say will make any sense to you. But it’s not your fault; you’re not supposed to know!

      • Márcio Medeiros
        October 23, 2016

        You don’t understand economics at all, do you? ‘Cause if you did, you wouldn’t be asking me these questions. In the free market capitalist system, it’s not supposed for everyone to be rich, but instead, people are supposed to have a good quality of life instead. For instance, black people in the US have a better life than black people in Brazil. That is because in the US, there is economic freedom and there are few taxes. Before PT’s government, our country was not so violent and the murder rate was very low. The quality of life would improve for EVERYONE, including black people, had we had a government that promoted a strong free market economy and reduced our taxes in order to cheer businesses on and give them an incentive. Brazill will not become a better or rich country by just giving money to the poor for free (bolsa familia). All the current developed countries became rich with a strong free market economy (economic freedom) and reduced taxes, which is something that the Brazilian leftwing parties oppose.

        I do not think only people with money should be able to go to college, I just think that we should invest in the basics. In the US, where higher education is paid, many people are still able to go to college, no matter their skin color. It’s simply a fact that when a country’s GDP is too low, there is simply no way for the country to have a very good free public education and free higher education at the same time, using taxes to fund both of them. All countries that are currently very good at both only did so after their GDP was over 40,000 dollars.

        You’re putting words into my mouth. You’ve simply ignored what I actually said.

        And again, you’re really good at being ignorant and dismissing facts 😀😀😀 you simply say that Brazil will never have cheaper taxes because it’s always been a colony of international elites, without bringing up any evidence in order to back that senseless claim up. Is there anything preventing our government from cutting spendings/costs and from stopping creating more and more taxes all the time? No, there isn’t. So this is nothing but ignorance. In case you haven’t seen, we’ve already started to cut spendings and to take measures to reduce the amount of money that the government needs to spend. Look up the PEC-241.
        It’s really simple. The cost of living in Brazil has really never been affordable, but because we have never had a strong free market economy here and because we have too much taxes in everything. If we have more economic freedom and fewer/cheaper taxes, then I guarantee you that life here will become really cheap and affordable. There is absolutely nothing to say otherwise. Why don’t you think that a lot of competition, economic freedom and fewer taxes wouldn’t improve the quality of life and reduce the cost of living? Anyone who understands the basics of economics can see that.

        But I think you’ve blinded yourself and have decided to depend on the government for everything, which only ends up messing up the lives of everyone and the whole country.

        Just because the cost of living is becoming expensive all around the world doesn’t mean that it’s the same if you compare Brazil with countries like the US, France or Japan. An iPhone here costs over 3000$, while in the US it is about 800 or 1000 dollars, which is ridiculously cheaper. The same for cars, houses, etc. To compare Brazil’s quality of life or cost of living with those of the world’s wealthiest countries is simply an absurd. Brazil is lightyears away from them!

        This is the result of people who can’t use their minds and always vote for the same crappy politicians over and over again. But I guarantee you, that this will start to change from 2019 on. I see many people have woken up and learned that PT and other left-wing parties will never change this country for the better. You could say that “leftwing and right-wing are the same thing”, but they’re not. They are different ideologies. One seems to want disorder (thousands of immigrants from Haiti and African countries illegaly coming to a country that’s already screwed and with high unemployment, but we can’t oppose that, because otherwise we are racist), more government in the lives of people, more taxes, less economic freedom, etc. The other wants order (only legal immigrants should enter the country and stay; harsher laws for criminals), less taxes, more economic freedom, etc. Which one do you think is bound to be successful? Anyone with an understanding of economics knows the answer.

        To finish, militarization of public schools would be a good idea for obvious reasons: there would be order in schools. Most students in Brazil currently have no respect for teachers or authorities whatsoever. Military schools here have an education system comparable to those in developed countries – they’re excellent! I’m not suggesting militarization of favelas. I’m talking about schools. Are you afraid of law and order? If you aren’t, then you have nothing to be scared of.

        But again, you simply decided to ignore that and change topics.

      • gatasnegrasbrasileiras
        October 24, 2016

        In your previous message you asked, “What international rule? This is BS.”

        The fact that you don’t understand who really runs Brazil makes this whole conversation worthless.

        “You don’t understand economics at all, do you?”

        You see, this is part of the problem. You sound like someone who was probably educated in a college or university without knowing that an economics education is a complete sham because the same people who control the world implement the education system in order that the uninformed masses accept and believe in the BS that they’re selling. I had this debate with another Brazilian last year who had a Master’s in economics but couldn’t understand some very basic points. I see it will be the same with you.

        “In the free market capitalist system, it’s not supposed for everyone to be rich, but instead, people are supposed to have a good quality of life instead”

        WHere in the world is there a truly free market because it certainly doesn’t exist in the US. I hope you didn’t think the US was a free market. Big mistake.

        “in the US, there is economic freedom and there are few taxes.”

        Again, you’re showing that you accept the propaganda you’ve been fed. Have you ever lived in the US? Or just visited Miami, NY or Orlando a few times? Because that statement is something only someone who doesn’t understand the reality about taxes in the US. That’s OK, let’s go to school!
        “Total tax percentage potentially paid by the well above average US citizen, 2013 est. – 58.5%.” So, you’re telling me that paying almost 60% of your income is low taxes, right? Please read! http://www.nowandfutures.com/taxes.html

        “Before PT’s government, our country was not so violent and the murder rate was very low.”

        Before the PT? What are you talking about? Brazil’s murder rates have for the most part only gone up since 1980! In this graph you will see a steady climb from 1980 to 2010 with only a few periods in which it dropped, 1989-1992, 2003-2007 (under the PT) after which it rose again and then dropped again. The murder problem cannot be placed on the PT. It is a Brazil problem! http://ultimosegundo.ig.com.br/brasil/taxa-de-homicidios-cresceu-124-nos-ultimos-30-anos-no-brasil/n1597408258382.html. And why do you think that is? USP professor Dennis Oliveira revealed a right wing think tank that openly discussed eliminating unwanted populations, mainly favelados. Brazil’s murder rate fits perfectly with the global de-population agenda.

        “a strong free market economy and reduced our taxes in order to cheer businesses on and give them an incentive.”

        You will never get significantly reduced taxes for the international goal is global communism in which governments increasingly tax everyday people and watch as this wealth slowly ends up in the hands of millionaires and billionaires. In the US over the past decade there has been a dramatic drop in the middle class and a simultaneous rise in the super-rich. Don’t believe that, right? Let’s see: “The middle class isn’t what it used to be, as the rich have gotten richer while America’s middle-income households have been hollowed out”. “A new study says most Americans are no longer considered middle-class.” http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/data-mine/2015/12/10/the-middle-class-is-shrinking-and-the-rich-are-getting-richer-pew-report-says
        So, you think “cheering businesses on and giving them an incentive” will improve Brazil? Just like Aecio who says minimum salary is too high! Are you serious? http://www.boatos.org/politica-2/aecio-neves-diz-que-salario-minimo-esta-muito-alto-aponta-boato.html

        “Brazill will not become a better or rich country by just giving money to the poor for free (bolsa familia).”

        I totally agree. But do you think the little money the government gives to the poor (R$164 mensais por pessoa) is equal to money that these politicians that you believe so much in steal from the country? Let’s see – “Corrupção desvia R$ 200 bi, por ano, no Brasil, diz coordenador da Lava Jato” – http://politica.estadao.com.br/blogs/fausto-macedo/corrupcao-desvia-r-200-bi-por-ano-no-brasil-diz-coordenador-da-lava-jato/

        “All the current developed countries became rich with a strong free market economy (economic freedom) and reduced taxes”

        Dude, you’ve been deceived. I’ve already shown you how much Americans pay in taxes. The upper classes of “rich countries” ARE in fact very rich. As inflation continues to rise, citizens are seeing their buying power remain the same or decrease. Individual income in richer countries was simply a trick to fool people so that when the economies began to crash, people wouldn’t expect it. This is what is happening in the US and Europe right now! Don’t believe this? “It’s true that the middle class is dying, but not from natural causes. It’s being killed.” In other words, the economy is being destroyed! http://billmoyers.com/story/whats-killing-american-middle-class/

        “In the US, where higher education is paid, many people are still able to go to college, no matter their skin color.”

        You still don’t get it. First, a college education today guarantees NOTHING! “Almost half a million college graduates are working minimum-wage jobs”: https://thinkprogress.org/half-a-million-people-with-college-degrees-are-working-for-minimum-wage-4a2d86ea7775?gi=2a166453f3.

        The other point on this is the student loan debt that these people will have for the rest of their lives and never be able to pay back!” The average class of 2015 graduate with student-loan debt will have to pay back a little more than $35,000.”: http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2015/05/08/congratulations-class-of-2015-youre-the-most-indebted-ever-for-now/

        And without jobs that pay good salaries, these loans only increase because of interest. There are hundreds of thousands of college graduates that owe $80,000 and more. Is that what you want for Brazil?

        “It’s simply a fact that when a country’s GDP is too low, there is simply no way for the country to have a very good free public education and free higher education at the same time, using taxes to fund both of them”

        Brazil’s GDP/PIB is at almost 2 trillion! The problem isn’t low GDP/PIB, the problem is corruption of the wealthy politicians/businessmen who you seem to believe will fix everything! PLEASE WAKE UP! Politicians are put into place BECAUSE they are corrupt! They are puppets who are paid very well to maintain people in poverty!

        “The US Census Bureau reported a median personal income of $30,240 for all workers over age 15 with income, and a mean personal income of $44,510 based on the Current Population Survey for 2015.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_income_in_the_United_States
        And just so you know, $30,000 – 44,000 is not a lot of money in the United States and the US has the largest GDP in the world. A larger GDP doesn’t automatically mean people will earn a lot of money; it means the top money earners will earn an enormous percentage of that GDP.

        “GDP was over 40,000 dollars”

        What are you talking about? US GDP is 18 trillion. Brazil’s PIB is about 1.8 trillion.

        “you’re really good at being ignorant and dismissing facts”

        If you read what I’m posting you’ll see that I’m VERY well informed! But as you’ve been trained in traditional economics you’ll never see that you’ve been deceived!

        “you simply say that Brazil will never have cheaper taxes because it’s always been a colony of international elites, without bringing up any evidence in order to back that senseless claim up”

        Senseless claim? Really? Tell me who financed Brazil’s independence in 1822. If you don’t know, you need to learn! That’s your first lesson. If you cannot answer that question then you have no business debating with me!

        Second, have you ever heard of the IMF? You hate the PT, but Lula paid off Brazil’s $15.5 billion debt! Now Temer will most likely put the country BACK IN DEBT with the IMF! http://www.gentedeopiniao.com.br/noticia/forbes-temer-pode-levar-o-brasil-de-volta-ao-fmi/155122

        “Is there anything preventing our government from cutting spendings/costs and from stopping creating more and more taxes all the time? No, there isn’t.”

        Sure, cut spending and leave millions of people without access to the things they need. There is absolutely no reason for such high taxes but I won’t hold my breath waiting on a cut in taxes, after all Temer WILL freeze government spending!

        “Look up the PEC-241.”

        I’ve already seen this draconian bill!

        “It’s really simple. The cost of living in Brazil has really never been affordable, but because we have never had a strong free market economy here and because we have too much taxes in everything.”

        Stop dreaming please! Respond to my previous questions on free markets first!

        “Why don’t you think that a lot of competition, economic freedom and fewer taxes wouldn’t improve the quality of life and reduce the cost of living”

        I didn’t say that; Temer is another US puppet, so I want to see how you think a reduction in taxes is a realistic possibility!

        “Anyone who understands the basics of economics can see that.”

        Next point please!

        “But I think you’ve blinded yourself and have decided to depend on the government for everything, which only ends up messing up the lives of everyone and the whole country.”

        I never wrote that I thought this was a good thing. Nearly 1 of every 3 Americans is receiving some form of payment from the US government as global elites continue their destruction of the country. But if you’ve got presidential candidates talking about lowering minimum salary (Aecio) how do you think cost of living will improve in Brazil? Temer will do exactly what internationalists tell him to do!

        “An iPhone here costs over 3000$, while in the US it is about 800 or 1000 dollars, which is ridiculously cheaper.”

        The problem is not the cost of the product but rather the percentage of the average Brazilian’s salary is necessary to buy the product. Considering the DOLLAR/REAL ratio above $3, US$1,000 is about the same as R$3,000. This proves my point.

        “This is the result of people who can’t use their minds and always vote for the same crappy politicians over and over again.”

        This is foolish. You say people “vote for the same crappy politicians over and over again” but you believe Brazil’s brand of conservatives will change something?!?! Not good thinking!

        “leftwing and right-wing are the same thing”, but they’re not. They are different ideologies.”

        Please don’t misquote me! I never wrote that! Here’s my quote: “Both sides equally spread political ideological propaganda in which the objective is to slowly erode the rights of average citizens while cloking themselves in rhetoric of representation of the people.”

        “thousands of immigrants from Haiti and African countries illegaly coming to a country that’s already screwed and with high unemployment, but we can’t oppose that, because otherwise we are racist”

        I agree with. The US and Europe are being FLOODED with immigrants in economies that cannot support them. But Brazil doesn’t have massive immigration equal to the US or Europe, so why are you even making that point?

        “Anyone with an understanding of economics knows the answer.”

        Anyone who has studied traditional economics has been deceived and doesn’t even know it!

        “Military schools here have an education system comparable to those in developed countries.”

        And what does that say? The aim of global education systems since the 19th century has been to make people dumber and more controllable. We are all under the Prussian system and elites decided many decades ago that the objective was not to teach people how to think but rather to follow orders. But that’s a whole other discussion which I don’t have the desire to discuss right now.

    • CHARITY DELL
      October 28, 2016

      I believe Sr. Holiday is a sad, tragic example of the Triumph Of The Plantation
      System, the complete mental subjugation and dehumanization of a young man of
      color. He is the poster child for the failure of “lusotropicalismo” and the debilitating effects of the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade. Sr. Holiday needs to trade his “city council position” for a seat at one of Brasil’s universities.

      1. If Sr. Holiday cannot obtain a university degree and start a professional career, he will have no useful job skills to help him generate an income. Is the City Council of Sao Paulo prepared to help EDUCATE Sr. Holiday?

      2.Once the racist city council no longer needs their Pet Pitiful Project to amuse them in all their “Branco Eliteness,” they will discard him like yesterday’s trash!

  4. CHARITY DELL
    October 28, 2016

    This is sad and pitiful to see an uneducated Black teenager elected to a city council position of racist elites who are mocking him daily behind his back.

    1. Does Sr. Holiday possess a university education?
    2. Does Sr. Holiday plan to GET a university education?
    3. Has he ever traveled outside Sao Paulo or outside Brasil?
    4. What job skills can sustain him once his term is over with the City Council
    and the racist council members have “kicked him to the curb?”
    5. Has Sr. Holiday been informed that he will never be considered
    “branco” in Brazilian society?

    The plantation mentality of the 1500’s is alive and well in 2016!
    Sadder still, are the descendants of slaves, whose minds are still
    in captivity to the inhumane ethos of “Lusotropicalismo” and the
    Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade.

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